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Ken Burns: ‘The Central Park Five’ interview

Kenburns-600Ken Burns has been making films for more than 30 years, with 10 Emmy Awards and two Oscar nominations to his credit. Here he talks about his latest film, "The Central Park Five," which premiered on PBS on Tuesday.

Kam Williams: Children's book author Irene Smalls asks: "What interested you in this story? Was there a personal connection?"

Ken Burns: The personal connection, simply, was my daughter, Sarah. She was too young to have heard about the actual crime, but learned about it in the summer of 2003. She then just began obsessing about the case to the point that she had to write a book about it. And she had two people around her, her husband, David, and her father who were saying, "Hey, it's also a film." And that's how it got made.

However, in a larger sense, I do remember the climate at the time that this happened, and it was with resignation that I looked at this "Crime of the Century" as Mayor Koch called it. We were wringing our hands, asking, "What happened to our city? What happened to our youth? Have we lost them?" As it turned out, that wasn't the case. But they served out their full sentences and were never considered for early parole, because they refused to admit any guilt, since they were not guilty. Yet, when they were exonerated thirteen years later, the story got almost no coverage. It's a very complicated case, which Sarah became preoccupied with as a senior in college, and she never could let it go.

KW: Irene also asks: "What does this documentary seek to do: re-publicize the event, further vindicate the boys, or something else?"

KB: The documentary asks two essential questions. First, how could such a gross miscarriage of justice have taken place in a progressive city in the North at the end of the 20th Century by using the sort of language employed by a Jim Crow city in the South at the beginning of the 20th Century when lynching was prevalent? And the second question is: Who are these five boys, because they were robbed of their voices instantaneously. Their confessions were coerced, so they had no voice and were hated by everyone.

If you were one of the Central Park Five back in 1989, you were one of the worst human beings that had ever lived. In fact, they were no longer considered human, but a wilding wolf pack of brute beasts. So, we were compelled to tell the story as accurately and as journalistically as possible, asking those two questions.

KW: Were you at all concerned about including the boys' "confessions" in the film because of the possibility that some people might see them as guilty?

KB: No, we fully accepted the possibility that some people could come into this film already thinking they were guilty. The police and prosecutors refused to cooperate with us at any time, and we bent over backwards to include their point-of-view throughout.

What I think happens over the course of the film is that you gradually get to know these kids who had never been in trouble before, who had no record, who had never been arrested, and who were just trying to cooperate with the police when the questioning began. But then all of a sudden these 14 and 15 year olds found themselves prime suspects, along with a developmentally-challenged 16 year old who was eventually tried as an adult and convicted. This was just too big a mountain to overcome for them.

KW: By the time I turned 25, I'd been profile-stopped just for being black at least a couple dozen times either while either walking or driving.

KB: Sarah's original title for the film was "Born Guilty." Evidentially, we do not have a fair criminal justice system. It favors those who can afford it. And more often than not, people of color are condemned to the worst kind of treatment. There is a "driving while black" phenomenon and a crime of just being a black person in a white neighborhood. Trayvon Martin would be alive today if that were not the case, I'm very, very sorry to say. This case is merely one of the loudest, grossest cases of that type.

KW: Editor/Legist Patricia Turnier asks: "What message do you want the public to take away from the film?"

KB: I don't think we want to telegraph how the audience should feel. Rather, we want people to understand what happened, and to form their own opinions. But clearly there is something wrong with a criminal justice system (that) could permit such a miscarriage of justice. And not only did it let that transpire, but when the real rapist came forward to confess, the press didn't apologize for its hyperbolic prose encouraging a rush to judgment, and the prosecutors and police didn't admit to their coercion of the confessions, or to their ignoring of exculpatory evidence.

Even now, it's been 10 long years since the Central Park Five were exonerated, and they're still awaiting redress from the civil suit they launched against New York City. Ten years is an awfully long time, especially after you've been robbed of thirteen years of your life. So, it's been 13 years of justice denied, followed by 10 years of justice delayed, which we know also amounts to justice denied....

KW: Marcia Evans says: "Most people are unaware that the City of New York even had the nerve to try to intimidate you and your daughter after you made the movie. Would you talk about the subpoena?"

KB: Yes, the City of New York subpoenaed all of our outtakes and notes for the film in an attempt I believe, cynically, to delay the trial and to fish for inconsistencies. This is a legal tactic as old as the hills. But we were intent to make sure that our difficulties were not blocking out or overshadowing the decades-long Kafkaesque hell these five men have been put through. So, we've had to engage legal counsel and defend ourselves in a lawsuit that isn't just about us, but about journalists everywhere. We shouldn't have our work impounded by the state just because it feels it might be helpful to make their case.

KW: What was it like co-directing with your daughter and son-in-law?

KB: It was a joy! ...

KW: Your work has been characterized by your father-in-law as "an attempt to make people long-gone come back alive." I thought that was a terrific description. Where did that approach to filmmaking come from?

KB: My mother died when I was 11 years old. There was never a moment in my childhood when I wasn't aware of her impending death and then, after she passed, that she had died. I remember speaking to him about it, and he said, "What do you think you do for a living? You wake the dead! You make Abraham Lincoln, and Jackie Robinson and Louie Armstrong come alive. Who do you think you're really trying to awaken?" That was almost 20 years ago that he said that. It had a profound effect on me....

KW: Lastly, the Tavis Smiley question: How do you want to be remembered?

KB: Oh, I want to be remembered as a good father. I have four daughters, and they are my most important co-production. I just want to be a good father because it's a tough job, and I love that more than anything else.

(To order a copy of "The Central Park Five" on DVD, visit: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00AZMFG48/ref%3dnosim/thslfofire-20)

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